Red Pepper Racing

I've read the literature. I've examined the facts. I've done my own comparisons. I've done my own swaps. I've raced extended periods of time with both setups. I still hate drum brakes.

I hate them for one, simple, yet equally irrational reason. I hate working on them. I know that shouldn't be the deciding factor, but it is. I can replace the rear disc pads on one car in about 15 minutes start to finish. I changed the rear shoes on one side of my ice racing car yesterday and it took approximately an hour or more to change them. If one should ever happen to break during a practice session or heat race, there is no way I would have the time to get it fixed before a feature race. Though the swap to discs is a pain in the ass, and aparently heavier, I will be looking for some for the ice racing car too. I guess I'm just a lazy slob at heart.

Exact reason im swaping to disc. I dont care if they are heavyer. They are more consistant and they are easyer to work on.

You guys plan on swapping in the whole teg axle or just the disk brakes? Reason I ask is because I have a whole teg rear axle in my back yard and I can't decide if I want to swap yet or not. My rear brakes don't work, and having worked on drums in the past....im not touching them again unless I am removing them for good lol.

Joseph

i swapped the whole axle and it works great! however i would suggest using an hf rear axle and saving lots of weight. the in axle sway bar is not worth it IMO, i would rather just use an external sway bar.
however when it comes to brakes i think the discs are worth the weight.

I plan on swaping the HF axle and the Teg Brakes. Just gota find one, thats the last thing im lacking.

Swapping shoes is a lost art. With the right tools (correct tools make all the difference in the world) and a bit of experience swapping shoes is not a big deal.

Ice racing???? How much do you use your brakes on ice? Once installed, the rear shoes should last forever.

Scott

i wish i did but i did not wight the difference.
does any one know how much lighter the hf is than the teg axle?
did kaka?

He's right, with the right tools (drum brake kit) it really is pretty quick and pain free. I have the right tools, they cost me $20 at princess auto (a budget tool/excess cargo place). Assuming regular maintenance, changing shoes can get pretty fast (5-10 minutes per side). It always takes me more more than 20min/side because I take my sweet time, and am needlessly picky.

Having said that, I still prefer disk brakes No matter how you look at it, they are easier to work on.

Ive changed and fucked with my drums enough i can swap shoes in just a matter of minuets, but i still hate them.

Yeah... but you can not hate the lightness.

Scott

Hello Ben,
Right now I am not using the rear brakes for ice racing. Only using the fronts. My Diff is welded so the car stops straight.
If you are in a turn and need the back to kick out some more, just stab on the brakes. Plus, you can get rid of all that hardware. I do miss a hand brake for putting the car on the trailer.

Mark L.

When Mugen built their 3g race car, they used Integra rear disk brakes. They chose not to use the OE rear drum brakes, aluminum or otherwise...




..."REAR CALIPER STD. PART FOR HONDA/ACURA INTEGRA"

In the racing catalog pic above, items 179/180 (calipers) are plain old "standard parts for Honda/Acura Integras"!

They obviously thought the benefits of the disc rear brakes 'outweighed' the use of drum brakes.

The Kakabox uses the 13 lb. lighter, 1g CRX HF axle (re-fitted w/longer 'teg brake caliper bolts) w/OE '87-'89 Integra calipers/rotors.
Please read here: http://www.redpepper...e...st&p=212569
...and here: http://www.redpepper...e...st&p=215892

BTW, these links are from the Kakabox build index: http://www.redpepper...e...st&p=307594 ...lots of info there!

Well, who'd a thunk it?

For a 'track only' application, I can show you how you can have rear discs that are lighter than even the aluminum drum setup!

This rear brake topic always gets battled and battled.....................too heavy, to much work for "nothing"
Here it is plain and simple:
USE WHAT YOU LIKE(or nothing at all Mark L)

But my opion disc is better.
There are to many ways to acheive better braking with a disc setup and still keep weight to a minumal.(one way use the hf axle). There isn't much you can do with a drum setup to get better braking especially out of the 1g/3g. Do what you will for the rear braking of your car, but there is a reason drum brakes are almost extinct in the passenger car and disc brakes took over........they are superior. There are way less problems that can occur with disc brakes, they are safer.

(I know what I have just wrote will be critized mostly by scott but you cant escape the truth

Oh heck no. If it was good enough for Mugen, it is good enough for me....

If you built a well balanced race car, then the rear brakes will certainly be "more involved" in stopping the car than a street car's rear brakes and rear disks (which are easier to work on) will be the superior choice.

Now how many of you guys have built a full race car with a better weight distribution?

I have never tried to deny the superiority of disk brakes in every respect over drums... except in one regard- A car with 60% of its static weight in the front will not find much (if any) advantage of switching to heavier rear disks.

If you guys like rear disks, go for it.

Scott