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New Clutch, Now Engine And Trans Dowel Pins Won't Align.


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I must be doing something wrong, I've been trying to get this engine to mate with the transmission for quite some time now. 

I'm using the stock flywheel, I've aligned the clutch with the alignment tool several different times. The dowel pins on the trans don't match up with the block pin holes anymore. They seem to be rationally off about an inch. (I'll align one dowel pin with the corresponding hole, and would need to rotate the transmission clockwise or counterclockwise about an inch to match up the other dowel pin and hole) 
How is this even possible? 

I was thinking the clutch housing could be hitting the trans bell housing, but then the spline wouldn't mate and slide in properly would it? The spline seems to slide right in without any hangups with about half an inch of gap between engine and trans(because the dowel pins are in the way and won't align). I've had to pull the engine and trans both out of the car because I was unable to mate them in the car. This has to be something simple I'm overlooking. Please help! 

1987 FWD Civic Wagovan
Block: 1.5l EW2 (d15a2)
Clutch: ClutchMasters FX300: 08005-HDTZ

SKU: 08005-HDTZ 

http://www.clutchmas...300-08005-hdtz/



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I can only imagine that the clutch friction disk is not centered.  There is no pilot bearing so the alignment tool must fit the hole in the flywheel correctly or it will not be centered. I remember using a deep well socket that fit perfectly in the fly wheel and also fit the inside diameter of the spline in the friction disk.

 

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Since you have both engine and trans out of the car, it will be much easier to see what's going on.  It is a bit of a struggle to mate the two if you're not using a hoist on the engine side just because the trans uses two of the three connection points.  Some questions on the new clutch.  The pressure plate matches up to the flywheel correctly, right?  Compare the new and old pressure plates.  Are they the same dimensions.  I noticed you purchased the HDTZ which I believe its only difference from the HD00 is the use of Kevlar and of course price.  Take your time, It only goes back together one way.



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The alignment tool doesn't work , as there is no pilot bearing in flywheel. Best to pull the driver side axle to put the transmission in with engine in. It is easier to connect the trans to engine when it is out of the car, Dave



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The alignment tool is to assist with the centering of the friction plate as you secure the pressure plate to the flywheel, following the recommended torquing sequence.  Once secured, the alignment tool has fulfilled it's purpose. 



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The last clutch job I did on my Civic, I found the alignment tool included in the clutch kit severely lacking. It was a very loose fit into the flywheel...until I wrapped the end with blue painters tape just enough times to give it a snug slip fit.


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Thanks for the tips guys, I'm going to try and pull the clutch off and mate the engine to the trans with no clutch or flywheel in the way for my sanity. If it mates up, I know it's the clutch/pressure plate.

 

It just doesn't make a whole lot of since to me that the dowel pins will no longer align rotationally. If I align one, the other is off a couple degrees counter-clockwise or clockwise. 

The trans and engine are both out of the car. The trans no longer has the axles attached.