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Hello,

I have recently seen more and more questions about putting a 88+ model D-series into a 1G/3G, so I decide to share how I did mine. Please remeber that this should only be used as a guide. These are the things that I have done. You may or may not agree with my methods, it is your choice to do as I did or use this to figure out a better way for yourself. Also I am a very bad speller so if I misspell anything forgive me.

This post is going to cover how I put a D15B7 into my 84 CRX. All other D-series engines will be similar.

First lets look as some of the things we will need and things that will need to be done.

1. Convert from carb to fuel injection. To do this we will need a fuel tank from a SI as well as the main fuel line from a SI and a fuel pump.

2. Axles. The 1G axles will not fit properly in the D tranny, and the D axles will not fit in the 1G hubs. You will need the D axles and the outer cv joints of the 1G.

3. Mounts. There is no aftermatket kit for putting d-series engines in a 1G so you going to have to make custom ones. You will need all the mount from the d-series and the 1G to mix and match.

4. Shift linkage and stablizer bar. Get the ones for the d-series.

5. Clutch. the 1G has a cable clutch while the D-series is hydrolic. You will be making an adapter.

6. Wiring. Lots of wiring to do lots of choices to make on how to do it. At a minnuim you will need a MPFI engine harness and the correct ECU for your engine.


Okay so lets get started by cleaning out the engine bay. Get that old engine, tranny, radiator, all the electrical stuff, vacuum and fuel lines all out of the way. Go ahead and drop the fuel tank and remove the main line from the car (Keep the main line and the vent line for later use). If you want to replace any stering or suspension compents now would be a good time, also do any brake work that may be needed.

1. Fuel. First lets mount the fuel pump, Just in front of the drivers side wheel there should be some thread holes already there that is where the pump needs to go so bolt it up. With the pump on lets get the tank up. It is difficult to put the lines on and the nozzle all while hold the tank up, but it will go just keep at it. Make sure you get the straps nice and tight. Install the SI main line and attach it to the pump. Leave the end in the engine unhooked until after the engine is in. So skip to the next thing and come back to when the engine is in. Okay so your almost done the engine is in and everything is hooked all you need is fuel and wiring right. Unhooke the filter for the its mount if not already done. Weld the mount onto the firewall, it fits real nice just below the return and vent lines. Put the filter in its mounts and attach the lines now you have fuel.

2. Axles. Take the d-series shafts and remove the outer cv joints. Put the outer cv joints from the 1G onto the d-series shafts. The new modified shafts will now fit in the tranny and fit in the wheel hubs.

3. Mounts. I found it was easiest to have the engine suspend on a chain and using jacks as need to position the engine. Lift the engine into the bay and lower it enough to fit the axles into the tranny and the wheels. Put the hub nuts onto the shafts tight enough to hold them in place.

Notice how the front engine mount is close to fitting into the orginial location. That's where its going to go. Cut a small peice of 1/4" metal and drill 2 hole that line up with the 1G mounts holes. Place the shim in between the block and the mount and bolt it down. Connect the rubber mount the the stock frame mount.

Don't tighten the bolts all the way you will need the slack to position the other mounts.
Next lets do the top tranny mount. Positon the engine so that the axles are straight and the engine is level, also check to make sure that the engine is not sitting too high or too low. Use one or more jacks to abtain the correct position. Once you are happy with the position bolt the mount onto the tranny. You can easily see where the new frame mount wil need to be welded, so make your markes on the frame and remove the engine.

Weld in the custom frame mount, and lower the engine back in place. It may be nessacary to remove the mount from the tranny so it can be put in place easier and the reconnect it once the engine is in. bolt up the mount and check the position of the engine still good? great.

Next is the rear Tranny mount and it can be a pain. Take the 1G mount that bolted to the crossmember off and cut thru the rubber and remove the top section.

Get the tranny mount from the D-series and cut the end of a little and do a bit of grinding. Take the top front engine mount from the D-series and grind the metal spacer in between the mount until you can fit it inside of the rear mount. It is hard to get in but just keep hammering it and grinding on it till it fits. Once its in drill whole in the rear mount so that a bolt can be inserted. Now take the lower part of the 1G mount that we cut and get under the car. See the 2 holes where it bolted to the cross member, on the rear side of the corssmember you should be able to see a hole in between the 2 orignials, put the mount on and slide it over to the passenger side until it lines up with that hole, now drill out the other side and the other hole. Bolt it to the crossmember. With the engine in test fit the tranny mount you will probally need to do more grinding and a little hammering on the firewall to get it to fit without hitting the body but it will fit. Once it fits tighen all the other mounting bolts and see how much space is between the 2mounts fill this space with 1/4 shims. when you have the number of shims you need weld them all toghter. test fit the mount again and marked where the holes need to be to bolt the mount to the frame mount.

Now pull all the mounts on last time and fill them with 3M window weld or a similair product.


4. shift links. This one is easy just take the D-series linkage and stablizar bar bolt the to the shifter, their to long, so cut them bolt each end of both bars up and marke where they need to be welded at. When making your mark on the shifter make sure the tranny is in neutral and have someone hold the shifter in a neutral position also.

5. Clutch. Fabricate an adapter similar to the one in the pics. Their is a way to convert the 1G to use the Hydro but I don't know the specfics about what needs to be done.



6.Electrical. You will at least need a MPFI engine harness and the proper ECU for engine. I swapped the entire car harness which made most of the wiring easy, but then I to make room for new guage cluster and turn signal switch.


That's everything I can think of. I'm sure theres lots of small stuff I forget, but at least this may help get some ideas going .

Edited by RTM, 13 January 2009 - 07:00 AM.


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Somewhat similar to what I did, but for the tranny mount we actually sectioned the frame. I wonder why yours fits flush.
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QUOTE (rpr @ Sep 12 2005, 03:31 PM)
Somewhat similar to what I did, but for the tranny mount we actually sectioned the frame. I wonder why yours fits flush.


there was a really helpful thread on this site that stated that 4 of the 5 bolts on a d16a1 tranny bolts right up, the tranny mounts and rear mounts bolt up to that tranny and theres no need to make an hyddro-cable adapter. all you have to do is cut and weld the actual motor mount and thread some holes for the intermediate shaft and then wire it up. it seems a much more feesible thing to do thatn this. check it out

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How can i move that to the FAQ section?

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QUOTE (Richard @ Sep 12 2005, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (rpr @ Sep 12 2005, 03:31 PM)
Somewhat similar to what I did, but for the tranny mount we actually sectioned the frame. I wonder why yours fits flush.


there was a really helpful thread on this site that stated that 4 of the 5 bolts on a d16a1 tranny bolts right up, the tranny mounts and rear mounts bolt up to that tranny and theres no need to make an hyddro-cable adapter. all you have to do is cut and weld the actual motor mount and thread some holes for the intermediate shaft and then wire it up. it seems a much more feesible thing to do thatn this. check it out



is it my thread??thread nice write up btw!!!

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QUOTE (Richard @ Sep 12 2005, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (rpr @ Sep 12 2005, 03:31 PM)
Somewhat similar to what I did, but for the tranny mount we actually sectioned the frame. I wonder why yours fits flush.


there was a really helpful thread on this site that stated that 4 of the 5 bolts on a d16a1 tranny bolts right up, the tranny mounts and rear mounts bolt up to that tranny and theres no need to make an hyddro-cable adapter. all you have to do is cut and weld the actual motor mount and thread some holes for the intermediate shaft and then wire it up. it seems a much more feesible thing to do thatn this. check it out



No, I've already done what you did (sort of):

Tranny mount:



Clutch:


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I appreciate the do it yourself attitude, but wouldn't it just be easier to buy a 4g?
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QUOTE (badpenny @ Sep 13 2005, 10:22 AM)
I appreciate the do it yourself attitude, but wouldn't it just be easier to buy a 4g?


crEator of wagoboat....lazy?

EDIT: this should be pinned allong w/RPRs thread.... I love pix

Edited by OVNi_CIVIC, 13 September 2005 - 12:20 PM.


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Probably, but where is the fun in that? I'd rather have a unique car.
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QUOTE (badpenny @ Sep 13 2005, 05:24 PM)
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alright, I am putting a d16a6 (2nd gen CRX Si motor) into a 1st gen HF CRX. My questions are:

1. I am reusing the axles from the 2nd gen, and they are too long. I switched hubs to make them fit, but they are just too long. How did you get around that?

2. The rear engine mount is no where near what your picture shows on my car. What mount is that off?


And some of the pics are down, Can I get some more pics of your mounts? Thanks a bunch

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somebody should start putting together a kit to sell for the d series. A lil sohc vtec would be a good sized motor for our old school cars
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QUOTE (sol2hatch @ Jul 30 2006, 10:50 AM)
alright, I am putting a d16a6 (2nd gen CRX Si motor) into a 1st gen HF CRX. My questions are:

1. I am reusing the axles from the 2nd gen, and they are too long. I switched hubs to make them fit, but they are just too long. How did you get around that?

2. The rear engine mount is no where near what your picture shows on my car. What mount is that off?
And some of the pics are down, Can I get some more pics of your mounts? Thanks a bunch


1. I used a 95 Civic tranny, so it may be that I got lucky. I use 87 Civic axles, with 95 Civic inner CV's, and it just worked....

2. Not sure if you are referring to my pics (I fixed the original post), the whole album is here

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