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[4N2NR]

ORANGE COUNTY (CALIFORNIA) NEWSPAPER-New Immigrants
This is a very good letter to the editor. This woman made some good points.
For some reason, people have difficulty structuring their arguments when arguing against supporting the currently proposed immigration revisions. This lady made the argument pretty simple. NOT printed in the Orange County Paper...................

Newspapers simply won't publish letters to the editor which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which does not agree with the philosophy they're pushing on the public. This woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published; but, with your help it will get published via cyberspace!


From: 'David LaBonte'
My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to 'print' it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined. Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:

Dear Editor:
So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan . None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people.

When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are in 2007 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900's deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.

(signed) Rosemary LaBonte

KEEP THIS LETTER MOVING. FOR THE WRONG THINGS TO PREVAIL
THE RIGHTFUL MAJORITY NEEDS TO REMAIN COMPLACENT AND QUIET!!
LET THIS NEVER HAPPEN!!

I sincerely hope this letter gets read by millions of people all across the nation!!

[86hamstersi]

Here goes this issue again. I thought we wouldn't get into these kinds of topics anymore. But if it does keep going I will add my two billion cents.

[ChrisF-dude]

At first a night club wants to attracts as many customers as possible. They have promotions, local celebrities, sponsored events. Then the club fills up every night. Then problems occur, fights break out, people use drugs, trash the bathrooms, etc.. So the bouncers then determine who gets let in, and who gets turned away. The staff of the club gets strained dealing with so many people. So, if the night club is full, start your own nightclub. Maybe in like Haiti and clean that country up.

[d15a3power]

Here goes this issue again. I thought we wouldn't get into these kinds of topics anymore. But if it does keep going I will add my two billion cents.

The only way that problems like this can be solved is if we engage in dialogue. Proper arguments are logical with emotional shades, not the other way around. Leaders engage in the former, sheep or demagogues in the latter.

Not pointing to you, sir; just an encouragement to discuss the issues logically without fear!

[Giltaran]

The only way that problems like this can be solved is if we engage in dialogue. Proper arguments are logical with emotional shades, not the other way around. Leaders engage in the former, sheep or demagogues in the latter.

Not pointing to you, sir; just an encouragement to discuss the issues logically without fear!

I expect that's just about right - but if a respectful debate is going to happen, it probably won't kick off as a result of quoted opinion. A cut&paste position is just trolling - it's trying to lick the spoon before making the batter.

[Ghost-One]

alot of emotional hoohaw

i was waiting for real points

this letter wasnt printed cause its stupid

[Screech]

I'm all for legal immigration like my great grand parents did. The problem I have is all the undocumented immigrants that expect rights here. They can be sent back to where they came crammed in the back of a uhaul. Living here is a privilege that must be earned.

[86hamstersi]

So it is a priviledge to live in a country that we stole from the indians. We gave them diseases, shot, stabbed and stole their land and call it our own. So lets get on the right issue. If we were all for deporting illegal immigrants why don't we do it the right way. Go to all the major cities that are having some kind of big construction projects and visit those working grounds and start there first. And not to be pulling race cards but I am pretty sure this land was occupied by mexicans and indians before any one else came here. But what do I know. I just live in a state which has a vast amount of immigrants.

[Giltaran]

So it is a priviledge to live in a country that we stole from the indians. We gave them diseases, shot, stabbed and stole their land and call it our own. So lets get on the right issue. If we were all for deporting illegal immigrants why don't we do it the right way. Go to all the major cities that are having some kind of big construction projects and visit those working grounds and start there first. And not to be pulling race cards but I am pretty sure this land was occupied by mexicans and indians before any one else came here. But what do I know. I just live in a state which has a vast amount of immigrants.

Actually, the Spanish stole Texas from the Indians. Then the Spanish-Indians in Mexico decided to be mexicans instead of spaniards, which I guess means the Mexicans stole it from the Spanish. Then they stole themselves back for awhile, before deciding to give themselves to us as a gift so the mexicans couldn't steal them back.

So yes, it is a privilege to live here, as in a legally obtainable right. If you want to argue that legal right is flawed on ethical or moral grounds you're probably right, but at least 4000 years of written human history have established a legal precedent for annexation by conquest, old world, new world, third world, and most probably prehistoric world. Spain itself was conquered and reconquered by various european and african powers long before they ever started beating up on indians.

[86hamstersi]

Actually, the Spanish stole Texas from the Indians. Then the Spanish-Indians in Mexico decided to be mexicans instead of spaniards, which I guess means the Mexicans stole it from the Spanish. Then they stole themselves back for awhile, before deciding to give themselves to us as a gift so the mexicans couldn't steal them back.

So yes, it is a privilege to live here, as in a legally obtainable right. If you want to argue that legal right is flawed on ethical or moral grounds you're probably right, but at least 4000 years of written human history have established a legal precedent for annexation by conquest, old world, new world, third world, and most probably prehistoric world. Spain itself was conquered and reconquered by various european and african powers long before they ever started beating up on indians.

Like I said, I still don't believe it is our right to say who has a right to live here when most of us don't even have any american indian ancestry. It's not as easy to get a visa, work permit or even any other kind of permission to be able to come to america from mexico. If your family was poor and I mean middle and lower class poor you would not have much of a chance of coming over to the states unless you come over illegally. 90% of america is now being built up by illegal immigrants of all races. No legal american will do the same job for the pay that they get. Plus many don't pay taxes cause how will you with no way to claim it with out a social security to pay it on plus the contractor prefers to do it that way so he doesn't lose any more money. It leaves more in his pocket. Unless we don't deal with immigration how it should be done nothing will stop the immigrants from coming. We can keep building fences, put more military, minutemen, and anything else we want, but it will only slow it down but not stop it. So I am for doing it the right way. Pick up at city construction sites like stadiums, government buildings, city attractions, ect.

See what you tax dollars are doing. Even with the presence of the president and secret service and border patrol.

Your border fence

[Screech]

Well, most, if not all, contractors that are hiring them are just pocketing the extra money so don't pretend that it makes a house any cheaper for the buyer because the illegal worker will work for for less, they are just being extorted by a contractor. Those contractors are no better than the pimp running a whore house filled with illegal/extorted women from middle Europe or any other part of the word. "F" illegal folks and those that knownly transport/harbor/hire them.

[86hamstersi]

Well, most, if not all, contractors that are hiring them are just pocketing the extra money so don't pretend that it makes a house any cheaper for the buyer because the illegal worker will work for for less, they are just being extorted by a contractor. Those contractors are no better than the pimp running a whore house filled with illegal/extorted women from middle Europe or any other part of the word. "F" illegal folks and those that knownly transport/harbor/hire them.

Sorry you feel like that about illegals bro but they are the ones who pick lots of the veggies and fruits you eat. Plus they build the home you live in, the roads you ride on and cook at the restaurants you eat at. They may be a nuissance to some but they do make for some good in our communities. I am against all the ones who drink and drive and break many of our laws but just for being an immigrant is not something to be mad about. They only take the jobs no one elses wants or the ones that are the lowest paid for that kind of work. I believe the new immigration law is mostly only pushed because of racism but mostly at the hispanic people. They are the ones who are mostly looked at as immigrants. You never see a sewing factory run by asians ever raided. But this conversation will never end with either of us being right. Like I said before unless they follow the actual way of enforcing immigration this will never stop.

[Screech]

Sorry you feel like that about illegals bro but they are the ones who pick lots of the veggies and fruits you eat. Plus they build the home you live in, the roads you ride on and cook at the restaurants you eat at. They may be a nuissance to some but they do make for some good in our communities. I am against all the ones who drink and drive and break many of our laws but just for being an immigrant is not something to be mad about. They only take the jobs no one elses wants or the ones that are the lowest paid for that kind of work. I believe the new immigration law is mostly only pushed because of racism but mostly at the hispanic people. They are the ones who are mostly looked at as immigrants. You never see a sewing factory run by asians ever raided. But this conversation will never end with either of us being right. Like I said before unless they follow the actual way of enforcing immigration this will never stop.

I'm not mad at immigrants, just the illegal aliens. In my mind it is very simple, there is a right way to come here, my great grand parents did it and many others still do it. And for people to come here in other ways then to expect rights is just a slap in the face of all of those that put the work into doing it the right way. Illegals doing what ever job they do is not what I'm going to discuss, their presence where they should not be is the topic. I'm not racist and would equally send any illegal alien back to their proper place if up to me. There are few crimes I can look the other way on, stealing food to put on the table for children, 10% speeding (up to 20% on freeway depending on traffic and speed others are doing) are the only 2 I can think of right now.

[86hamstersi]

I'm not mad at immigrants, just the illegal aliens. In my mind it is very simple, there is a right way to come here, my great grand parents did it and many others still do it. And for people to come here in other ways then to expect rights is just a slap in the face of all of those that put the work into doing it the right way. Illegals doing what ever job they do is not what I'm going to discuss, their presence where they should not be is the topic. I'm not racist and would equally send any illegal alien back to their proper place if up to me. There are few crimes I can look the other way on, stealing food to put on the table for children, 10% speeding (up to 20% on freeway depending on traffic and speed others are doing) are the only 2 I can think of right now.

If I may ask how did your great grand parents get here and from where. Because if it was from mexico it was much different before 9/11. Plus most of this illegal stuff didn't pop up until those dumb asses ran the planes into the towers. How come there is no fence on the canadian border. How come puerto rico is not a U.S. state but it's people can come and go. How come cubans as long as they step foot on U.S. soil before they are caught can stay? But 400 chinese in a small boat have to go back to china. No one can say that the cubans can come because of communism when chinese immigrants get sent back. Its all politics and for votes for the most part. But who knows.

[Giltaran]

Like I said, I still don't believe it is our right to say who has a right to live here when most of us don't even have any american indian ancestry. It's not as easy to get a visa, work permit or even any other kind of permission to be able to come to america from mexico.

Do you want to talk races, nationalities, or citizenship? Let's not confuse the issue. Race is the color of your skin, and as far as American law goes, is meaningless. Small minded things happen, but eventually they get worked out because skin color in America isn't a legal issue.

Nationality has to do with where you were born. I was born in the USA, illegal immigrants were not.

Citizenship is the legal standing to be considered part of (governed by) a particular nation, granted by either nationality (place of birth) or naturalization (an application and testing process).

If your family was poor and I mean middle and lower class poor you would not have much of a chance of coming over to the states unless you come over illegally. 90% of america is now being built up by illegal immigrants of all races. No legal american will do the same job for the pay that they get. Plus many don't pay taxes cause how will you with no way to claim it with out a social security to pay it on plus the contractor prefers to do it that way so he doesn't lose any more money. It leaves more in his pocket. Unless we don't deal with immigration how it should be done nothing will stop the immigrants from coming. We can keep building fences, put more military, minutemen, and anything else we want, but it will only slow it down but not stop it. So I am for doing it the right way. Pick up at city construction sites like stadiums, government buildings, city attractions, ect.

See what you tax dollars are doing. Even with the presence of the president and secret service and border patrol.

Your border fence

I'm not sure this argument holds water. For one thing, my family was poor - *REAL* poor - when they got on the boats from Denmark, England, Germany, etc., and came to Ellis Island back in 1800-whatever. When they arrived they told the US government about it, then they learned the language, then they got jobs, and yeah, they did work hard and earn their citizenship. Anybody who wants to do that still can, within the limits of the INS.

On the other hand, if an american citizen wants to emmigrate to some other country, they're going to need money, or special skills, or some other thing that country can't do for itself. 200 kilobucks is usually the threshold value of the bond you place into trust with the foreign government against your ability to support yourself. Or you can be a doctor, a nurse, an engineer, a really worthwhile artist, etc.